What drives an editor crazy?

October 1, 2012 | Written by Chip MacGregor

Someone wrote to ask a favorite question: “Are there some editing errors that drive you crazy?” 

Yes! Of course! Here’s one! Novelists who use exclamation points as though the period key didn’t work on their keyboard! I hate this! Really! What’s worse is the writer who needs to use several at once!!!!

Here’s “another” one: Occasionally you’ll find “authors” who feel a “need” to put any emphasized words in “quotes,” since they think it makes them look “official.” This is particularly tiresome when a “funny” author decides to put his “punchline” in quotations. An “idea:” cut the quotation marks.

And a third (related) item: People who use an open parenthesis but no close parenthesis. (For example, this kind.

Number four: The serial comma. The rule for using commas is that there should be ONE LESS COMMA THAN THE ITEMS IN YOUR LIST. So if you list five things, you’d use four commas. Let me offer an example… “Farnsworth visited Italy, Spain, Bermuda, and Angora.” Note that there are four countries and three commas — one less than the list. Writers will often drop the serial comma, in an apparent attempt to make “Bermuda and Angora” one country (sort of like Trinidad and Tobago, if you need a geography joke). 

5. Notice the unclear way I’ve used to create this list. I didn’t number the first or second. Then I used “third” and “fourth,” followed by the number 5.  An editing error that drives me up a tree is jumbled numbers in a list. For some reason, Number-Impaired People will make an outline that reads, “First,” followed by “Two,” then “C,” and then “4.” (Or, occasionally, “13.”) Make all your numbered lists consistent. And try not to put a numbered list within another numbered list. Too many numbers drives editors insane.

Sixth: Please notice I didn’t write “sixthly.” From a strict editorial viewpoint, there is no reason the word “firstly” or “secondly” exists. To number a list as “first” or “second” is to adverbialize them. To add “ly” is to adverbialize them. Therefore, why in the world would you adverbialize an adverb? Why write “firstly” when all you really need to write is “first”? Besides, if it’s a long list, can you really defend “thirteenthly”?

Seventh: Figure out the difference between “your” and “you’re” before writing you’re book. Ditto for “its” and “it’s.” And “there” and “their.” [Warning to the humor-impaired: there is a deliberate error in that first sentence. Ask your mom to explain it to you.]

Eighth: Your spell-checker is not to be relied upon. Ewe can knot really on it too pickup ever thin.

Ninth: Print out a copy of your proposal or manuscript and look it over. If the FIRST WORD of every paragraph is the same, you need to go back and change it. (Unless the first word of every paragraph is the word “I,” in which case you need to be slapped by the person sitting next to you, THEN go back and change it.) The same holds true for authors who use five different types of font on the cover page. I sometimes get queasy looking over the waves of font attacking me.

Tenth: Maxwell Perkins once said that “style” is nothing more than one author’s decision to misuse the rules of grammar. A good editor will let you misuse it in order to help you create voice (any reading of William Faulkner is evidence of that). But that same editor will notice when you’ve crossed over to misusing it and sounding like a moron. Listen to your editor.

May I suggest two wonderful grammarphiles you can read in order to get a good grasp of the rules of grammar? Take a peek at Karen Gordon’s Transitive Vampire and Well Tempered Sentence, as well as Patricia O’Connor’s Woe Is I. Both authors actually have a sense of humor in talking about “the rules.” 

Posted in Deep Thoughts, Questions from Beginners, The Writing Craft

  • http://www.facebook.com/cori.ashley Cori Ashley

    Great list!! (I can use gratuitous exclamation points in a blog comment, right?) My pet peeve is double (or God-forbid triple) spaces at the end of sentences. I spend far too much time removing extra spaces. I also have one writer who thinks “…,” is a punctuation mark.

    • chipmacgregor

      Amen.

  • http://twitter.com/StephenMMiller_ Stephen M. Miller

    Back in J-school, the profs said we should use ! only when we’re yelling. I don’t even use it then.

    As for the serial comma, I thought that was a matter of style. Some houses I’ve written for want the extra comma. Others don’t. And then there’s the comma when an item in the list includes a conjunction: I had OJ, grits, whiskey, and ham and eggs for breakfast.

    After which I might use !.

    • chipmacgregor

      Way too many exclamation points these days, Stephen. They’re everywhere, like reality TV shows.

  • Richard Mabry

    Chip, Great post and one with which I agree–or is it which I agree with–or perhaps… But in the second place, or was it the third… Never mind, I’ve lost my train of thought.
    Oh, yes. The excessive use of ellipses drive me nuts…or is it batty…or…?
    C) I’ll get back to you on that!!!

    • chipmacgregor

      And you raise an interesting point… the fallacy that one should never end a sentence with a preposition. Stupid rule, propagated by people who don’t really know better. Thanks, Richard.

  • Mel Lawrenz

    Great stuff, Chip.

    • chipmacgregor

      Thanks, Mel.

  • Jodie Bailey

    THANK YOU for defending the serial comma. I tell my students, I don’t care what the book says, you’re going to use it. If you ate a bunch of junk food at the fair, it keeps you from sounding like you put cotton candy in your mac and cheese…

    • chipmacgregor

      Jodie is my hero.

  • http://www.VondaSkelton.com Vonda Skelton

    Love this list, Chip. (I would put an exclamation mark here, but don’t want to get on you’re bad side…

    • chipmacgregor

      Vonda! Firstly, you don’t want to do that! (Unless your trying to make me mad

  • Denise Hisey

    This is incredibily helpful (and funny), so thank you.
    I was really surprised by the comma rule. My memory of the comma rule from English class (150 years ago) was no comma before the word ‘and’. Either I have bad memory, the teacher was wrong, or…did the rules change?

    • chipmacgregor

      If they’ve changed, it’s to delete the serial comma. But I can’t make myself do that. Too old fashioned, apparently.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ane.mulligan Ane Mulligan

    I love this one, Chip. I’ve heard the comma discussion, but I can’t help but use that last one, so now I know I’m good. I won’t give my editor fits. One that I watch a lot is paragraph and sentence structure. Too many paragraphs or sentences with the same structure pulls me out of a story. It’s one thing I see a lot when I judge contests.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ginamarie.welborn Gina Marie Welborn

      Ane said it. I’m merely dittoing.

    • Jodie

      I have to agree with that one, Ane.

    • chipmacgregor

      A good point, Ane. Thanks.

  • Kimberli C.

    Your post was helpful and funny. Thank you.

    • chipmacgregor

      My pleasure.

  • http://www.dianadenis.com/ Diana Denis

    I bet this is the same stuff that drives English teachers crazy. Printing this for my daughters. They’d appreciate the “humor”!!!!! I couldn’t resist.

  • Sharla Fritz

    Loved this post! Such a creative and attention-getting way of discussing grammar!

    • chipmacgregor

      Thanks, Sharla.

  • Mocha with Linda

    Amen. (Deleted the “!”.) I simultaneously chuckled and applauded as I read this. Hooray for the serial comma. I always feel like a button is unfastened when the last one gets omitted.

    After you get everyone straightened out on these, will you please tackle apostrophes for “plural’s” (shudder!) and the proper use of “I vs. me”? LOL

    • http://twitter.com/haleematthews Halee Matthews

      Ah! The apostrophes! I’m so with you. I don’t understand the random apostrophes that get thrown in. And the “I” vs. “me” thing is annoying, especially when someone tries to correct you incorrectly. Eek. I always want to come back with “Okay, see . . . there was this grammar book, bigger than a Bible that I worked through as a kid. Actually, I worked through two of them. So just take my word for it, m-kay?”

  • http://twitter.com/haleematthews Halee Matthews

    Thank you for addressing the serial comma! Far too many writers feel free to chop the last one. It’s funny; I never thought of it in terms of number (one less than the number of items) but in terms of separation. They’re separate words receiving equal weight and therefore should be separated equally.

    • chipmacgregor

      I agree, Halee.

  • Ramona Richards

    OK, I’m a serial comma freak, but in defense of authors who omit them, that’s the house style at one major publisher. And AP style. I argue with our catalog and marketing people about this frequently (and lose).
    At this point, I’d just settle for an opening paragraph in a synopsis that doesn’t leave me with a headache.

    • chipmacgregor

      Yes — AP style, and I was told to do it when I worked for a newspaper. But I’ve never been comfortable with it, Ramona. And, since this is my column, I figure I get to select my OWN pet peeves. This is one of mine.

      • A Kay

        AP drops the serial comma (among other style issues) for space, which is why it’s the most common style adopted for non-fiction (particularly newspapers and magazines). Chicago is for fiction.

        The way I look at it is: Chicago is form over function (creative), AP is function over form (factual).

        Of course,it helps that AP=Associated Press as a mnemonic for remembering what to use in different writing styles.

  • Shawna

    Number five might be a little funny if: firstly, it’s used in dialogue, and b.) the character saying it is a moron. Next, the author has written it with the previously mentioned intention in mind. Fourth, ummm… What was I saying?. But most importantly, fifthly, lastly and e.) the above would be the only exception, unless you’re in a facetious mood while replying to a post about the “above.” (Hehe.. quotations.

    • chipmacgregor

      Excellent. I entirely agree, Shawna. Um… I think.

  • http://twitter.com/vikingwritergal Heather Day Gilbert

    Thanks for the tips. In News Writing, it’s standard form to omit the last comma in articles. So if you’ve done any newspaper work, you’re probably used to doing this. I’m thankful for an agent/editor who told me to throw those serial commas back in for my novels. It reads more like how we think.

    • chipmacgregor

      Right — that’s where it comes from, Heather. And now lots of English teachers pass it along. But… I happen to disagree with them. :o )

  • Theresa Lode

    Thanks for the book recommendations…off to Amazon I go once again. And as always, Chip, I love what you have to say and the witty way in which you say it.

    • chipmacgregor

      There are plenty of others, of course. I’d love to have others suggest their favorite grammar experts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cindy.scinto Cindy Valenti Scinto

    Hmmm … did my post not post? 8^) Or was I banished? [grin] Here it is again.

    Agghhhhh … this post stressed me out! 8^) I finished a large editing job at two o’clock this morning. I have an editing hangover. I love to edit–but at times, well, let’s not go there.
    And what’s with the comma issue? No one I edit likes to hear about the comma in a series. It was optional years ago. People I work with fight me with vehemence when I ask them to use a serial comma. According to The Christian Writer’s Manual of Style, MLA, and CMOS, always use a comma in a series before the concluding conjunction. The British don’t. The AP Stylebook instructs to not use the comma in a simple series such as red, white and blue. But requires a comma before the concluding conjunction in a complex series of phrases.
    That seems like enough proof to me that the series comma is really accepted and required.
    So there. The rantings of a frustrated editor.

    • chipmacgregor

      We don’t banish anyone — sometimes comments just don’t come through, Cindy. But yes, people trained in AP style don’t want to use it. (They are wrong.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=17127386 Lacee Hogg

    Mmmm, as I proofreader I would like to add “Amen” to this.

    • chipmacgregor

      Amen! Let’s take an offering, Lacee…

  • Taryn Souders

    Funny and informative – Thanks!

    • chipmacgregor

      Glad you liked it, Taryn.

  • http://twitter.com/BibleApocalypse Michael Trofern

    Looks like I am a better writer than I thought I was. And yet, rules are made to be broken and rewritten. All you have to do is read a book written in 1700, then another from 1800, and 1900. You will see how things have improved, but it also means things have Changed. Some rules of grammar are ridiculous and should be broken. 100 years from now the broken will be the rule.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SDwriter Shannon Donnelly

    Karen Gorden also has the excellent “The New Well-Tempered Sentence: A Punctuation Handbook for the Innocent, the Eager, and the Doomed” for those having trouble with commas and such. I also keep handy Strunk & White’s “Elements of Style,” one of the most useful books a writer can own.

  • http://twitter.com/Linnette Linnette R Mullin

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